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QUESTIONS ARISING FROM 133rd. MEETING – 29/4/22
(the record of earlier meetings can be downloaded from the main Circulus page as can the version of Ciceronis Filius with illustrations added. The illustrated text of Genesis is available on the Genesis page, of Kepler's Somnium on the Somnium page and of Nutting's Ad Alpes on the Ad Alpes page)

​Food consumed at our return to the Basmati included  melongēna contūsa (baigan bharta, mashed aubergine/eggplant), batātae cum brassicā Pompēiānā, spināchia cum caseō (palak paneer, spinach with cheese), gallinācea cum āliō (garlic chicken), pānis Persicus (nan), orӯza (rice), washed down with vīnum rubrum, cervisia and potiōnēs mollēs (soft drinks).  The last phrase is a rather barbaric coinage, using a literal translation of `soft’, so perhaps potiōnēs sine alcohole would be an improvement. Owens-Morgan tentatively suggests mulsa spūmāns but not all soft drinks are fizzy and mulsa, according to Lewis & Short, is `honey’ as a term of endearment, not an alternative to mulsum, -ī n (mead, wine with honey)!
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                                                                             A page from the Basmati menu
 
Before the food arrived, Eugene demonstrated the latest version of his speech engine for Latin, using Classical pronunciation for an Eutropius extract and Ecclesiastical pronunciation for an introductory section to the Catholic Church’s Canon Law. John had to apologise for having again forgotten to update the web page on this topic. This has now been done and can be accessed at https://linguae.weebly.com/latin--ancient-greek-speech-engines.html 
 
We read chapters 9-16 from Book I of Breviarium and Eugene again demonstrated the speech engine by playing his own section on it. He then opted to answer comprehension questions in Latin rather than translate. Eugene uses the Ecclesiastical or Italianate style while John uses the Classical Restored Pronunciation in which Latin is now taught in most countries but communication is no more difficult than for a Texan speaking with a Londoner.
 
The Ecclesiastical pronunciation, with features such as the affricate  (`soft’) pronunciation of `c’ and `g’ before front vowels, seems to have been established in the 10th century, and Italian itself was recognised as a separate language from Latin itself at around the same time. The early development of Italian was the subject of a lecture John gave for Dante in March and the accompanying PowerPoint can be downloaded from  https://linguae.weebly.com/spanish--italian.html. 
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    11th century illustrations of the legend of St. Clement in the Basilica San Clemento di Laterano in Rome

The Italian captions in the pictures above, glossed with the Latin phrases from which they derive, read: Fili[filii] de le [illae] pute [putae], traite[trahite]! Falite [fac illi te] dereto [directo]  colo [cum illum] palo [palum], Carvoncelle!  In English:  `Sons of bitches, pull!     Get  yourself onto-him directly with the pole, Carvoncelle.’ 
The Latin itself is a late, colloquial variety, ungrammatical by the standards of  classical literature.                                                                                          

We also discussed briefly the differences between the pronunciation of Classical Greek as reconstructed for  the 5th century B.C. and the modern language, whose main features were largely fixed in the Byzantine period. Greeks themselves normally use the modern pronunciation for ancient Greek but the drawbacks of this are immediately obvious from the syllable βη used by Aristophanes to represent the sound of a sheep bleating. In Restored Pronunciation this comes out as bē but as the highly unsheep-like vī in the modern one!  
 
Hillary explained that, on top of simultaneously preparing for the IGCSE and AP in Latin, she was taking an on-line course on Homer with the Institute for Classics Education (http://classicseducation.com). The course is taught in translations but when pronouncing individual words, the Americanteacher uses the modern Greek pronunciation  
 
We noted the scatological  nature of some HK TV programmes, particularly the fixation with toilets displayed recently by the popular, long-running  soap opera愛·回家之開心速遞 (`Come Home Love - Lo and Behold'). This led to mention of the Apocolycyntosis divi Claudii (`The Pumpkinification of Claudius’), a satire on the emperor’s deification which is normally ascribed to Seneca the Younger, the tutor of Claudius’ successor. In this, the emperor’s last words are described as follows: Ultima vōx eius haec inter hominēs audīta est, cum maiōrem sonitum ēmīsisset illā parte, quā facilius loquēbātur: "vae mē, putō, concacāvī mē." Quod an fēcerit, nesciō: omnia certē concacāvit (“This was his last utterance heard among men: `Dear me, I think I’ve shat on myself.’  Whether he did this I don’t know: he certainly shat over everything.”).
 
Still on the scatological front, whilst these notes were being finalised a month after the meeting, the discovery was reported of a piece of graffiti at Vindolanda, the Roman fort just south of Hadrian’s Wall. Aimed presumably at a fellow soldier, the inscription, illustrated by a drawing of a phallus, reads SECUNDINUS CACOR (`Secundinus the shitter’). By Classical standards, the phrases is ungrammatical as well as rude.. The word Cicero would have used three centuries earlier is CACATOR, and for him CACOR would probably only have meant `I am shat upon.'  For a full report, see https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10856501/1-700-year-old-phallus-inscription-branding-Roman-solider-s-ter-Hadrians-Wall.html
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​                                    A legionary immortalised but not the way he would have wished!
                                                     https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-61594029
 
Eutropius’ reference to Tusculum, the small town 15 miles south-east of Rome, prompted the question of a possible connection with the Etruscans. It was supposedly once the domain of Octavius Mamilius, father-in-law of Rome’s last king, Tarquinius Superbus, who was Etruscan. However, the Oxford Classical Dictionary says: `traditions associating Tusculum with Etruscans may be mere aetiological fictions to explain its name.’
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                                                                    The ruins of the theatre at Tusulum
                                              https://www.italiani.it/en/tuscular-Italian-archeology/
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Situated on a hill over 2,000 feet above sea-level, which was part of the rim of an extinct volcano, ancient Tusculum’s remains are today an archaeological park. The Roman road that branched off from the Via Latina to reach the hilltop is now a footpath used for access by many visitors. The surrounding countryside was a popular area for wealthy Romans to build retreats within easy reach of Rome along the Via Latina, a road connecting rhe capital with Campania and following a more easterly route than the later and better-known Via Appia. Cicero is the region’s most famous villa owner and the fictional Lucius Iulius Balbus, the paterfamilias in Orberg’s Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata, is depicted as living just outside the town.  For more information on Tusculum itself see https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tusculum and for the via Latina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_Latina and https://www.reddit.com/r/Maps/comments/csw47n/map_of_ancient_romes_roads_in_italy/
 
We thought that the emergence of the Roman Republic in 510-09 B.C. fell within the Warring States period of Chinese history but later investigation showed that it was actually towards the end of the preceding Spring and Autumn period. According to the accounts at  https://www.worldhistory.org/Warring_States_Period/ and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_and_Autumn_period the transition between the two eras is placed variously in 481, 475 or 403.
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EUTROPII BREVARIUM, I:9-16
 
[9] Hinc cōnsulēs coepēre, prō ūnō rēge duo, hāc causā creātī, ut, sī ūnus malus esse voluisset,
  Henceforth consuls   began     for   one  king  two for-this  reason elected that if    one  bad  to-be  had-wished
alter eum, habēns potestātem similem, coercēret. Et placuit,    nē imperium longius quam
the-other him   having    power      similar    might-control and it-was-decided that-not authority     longer   than
annuum habērent, nē per diuturnitātem potestātis īnsolentiōrēs redderentur, sed cīvīlēs semper
a-yea   they-should-have lest through  long-duration   of-power more-insolent  they-be-rendered but  like-citizens always
essent, quī sē post annum scīrent futūrōs esse prīvātōs.     Fuērunt igitur annō prīmō ab
would-be  who selves after a-year  knew  going-to-be to-be  private-individuals were     therefore in-year  first after
expulsīs rēgibus cōnsulēs L. Iūnius Brūtus, quī maximē ēgerat, ut Tarquinius pellerētur,
expelled    kings     consuls   Lucius Iunius  Brutus who  the-most  had-done so-that Taqquinius  should-be-expelled
et Tarquinius Collātīnus, marītus Lucrētiae. Sed Tarquiniō Collātīnō statim sublāta est
and    Taquinius   Collatinus   husband    of-Lucretia but    from-Tarquinius  Collatinus at-once removed was
dignitās. Placuerat      enim, nē quisquam in urbe remanēret, quī Tarquinius vocārētur.
his-rank    it-had-been-decided that-not that-not   anyone  in  city  should-remain who   Tarquinius   was-called
Ergō acceptō     omnī patrimōniō suō ex urbe migrāvit, et locō ipsīus factus est L. Valerius
Therefore having-been-received all ancestral-property own from city he-migrated and in-place of-him made was Lucius 
Valerius Pūblicola[1] cōnsul. Commōvit tamen bellum urbī Rōmae rēx Tarquinius, quī fuerat expulsus,
Valerius Publicola      consul  launched      however war    on-city Rome   king   Tarquinius  who had-been  expelled and
et collēctīs       multīs gentibus, ut in rēgnum posset restituī, dīmicāvit.[2]
and  having-been-collected  many   peoples   so-that to  throne he-could  be-restored   fought
 
[10] In prīmā pugnā Brūtus cōnsul et Arrūns, Tarquiniī fīlius, in vicem sē occīdērunt, Rōmānī
      In   first  battle    Bruitus    consul and Arruns    of-Tarquin  son   in turn   each other slew     Romans
tamen ex eā pugnā victōrēs recessērunt. Brūtum mātrōnae Rōmānae, dēfēnsōrem pudīcitiae
however from this fight    victorious  emerged      Brutus     ladies      Romans    as-defender       of-chastity
suae, quasi commūnem patrem per annum lūxērunt. Valerius Pūblicola Sp. Lucrētium
their     as-if     common     father throughout a-year  mourned   Valerius  Publicola  Spurius  Lucretius
Tricipitīnum collēgam sibi fēcit, Lucrētiae patrem, quō morbō mortuō iterum Horātium
Tricipitinus    colleague   for-himself made  Lucretia’s  father with-whom from-illness dead  again   Horatius
Pulvillum collēgam sibi sūmpsit. Ita prīmus annus quīnque cōnsulēs habuit, cum Tarquinius
Pulvillus   colleague for-himself   took    thus  first     year    five      consuls     had   since   Tarquinius
Collātīnus propter nōmen urbe cessisset, Brūtus in proeliō perīsset, Sp. Lucrētius morbō
Collatinus   because-of  name   from-city had-withdrawn Brurua in   battle  had-perished Spurius Lucretius from-illness
mortuus esset.
dead        was
 
[11] Secundō quoque annō iterum Tarquinius ut reciperētur      in rēgnum bellum Rōmānīs
      In-second  also     year   again    Tarquinius so-that he-might-be-restored to  throne   war   upon-Romans
intulit, auxilium eī ferente Porsennā, Tusciae rēge,[3] et Rōmam paene cēpit. Vērum tum
brought    help     to-him bringing Porsenna    of-Etruria king and    Rome   almost he-took   in-reality  then 
quoque victus est. Tertiō annō post rēgēs exāctōs Tarquinius, cum suscipī nōn posset  in
also    defeated he-was in-third  year  after  kings  driven-out    Tarquinius  since   be-restored not he-could to
rēgnum neque eī Porsenna, quī pācem cum Rōmānīs fēcerat, praestāret auxilium, Tusculum sē
throne     and-not to-him Porsenna  who  peace  with   Romans    had-made was-providing   help  to-Tusculum self
contulit, quae cīvitās nōn longē ab urbe est, atque ibi per quattuordecim annōs prīvātus 
took       which  city   not     far  from city  is   and   there for    fourteen        years  as-private-individual
uxōre cōnsenuit. Quārtō annō post rēgēs exāctōs, cum Sabīnī Rōmānīs bellum intulissent,
with-wife  grew-old   in-fourth   year after  kings  driven-out  when  Sabines  on-Romans  war   had-made
vīctī sunt et dē hīs triumphātum   est.  Quīntō annō L. Valerius ille, Brūtī collēga     et 
defeated were and over them  triumph-celebrated was     in-fifth  year Lucius Valerius the-famous of-Brutus colleague and
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NOTES
[1] The name `Publicola’ (`cultivator of the people’) was given in recognition of his championing the rights of the plebeians
[2] Extracts from Livy’s detailed account of the expulsion of the Tarquins, which is Eutropius’s main source, is included in Wheelock’s Latin Reader and an interlinear translation is available at https://linguae.weebly.com/livy.html
[3] Porsenna was king of the Etruscan city of Clusium.

quater cōnsul, fātāliter mortuus est, adeō pauper, ut, collātīs    ā populō nummīs, sūmptum
four-times   consul   by-fate[1]       died      so   poor   that having-been-collected from the-people money  cost
habuerit sepultūrae. Quem mātrōnae sīcuti Brūtum annum lūxērunt.
he-had       of-burial    him    the-ladies     as    Brutus   for-year    mourned.
 
12] Nōnō annō post rēgēs exāctōs,[2] cum gener Tarquinī   ad iniūriam socerī vindicandam
   In-ninth   year   after kings   driven-out  when  son-in-law of-Tarquin   for   injury of-father-in-law being-avenged
ingentem collēgisset exercitum, nova Rōmae dignitās est creāta, quae dictātūra appellātur,
huge          had-collected   army      new   at-Rome  office  was  created   which  dictatorship is-called
maior quam cōnsulātus. Eōdem annō etiam magister equitum factus est, quī  dictātōrī
more-powerful than  consulship  in-same   year   also   master    of-cavalry appointed was  who to-dictator
obsequerētur. Neque quicquam similius potest dīcī quam dictātūra antīqua huic imperiī
would-be-subordinate nor     anything     more-similar can be-called than   dictatorship ancient to-this  of-command
potestātī, quam nunc Tranquillitās Vestra[3] habet, maximē cum Augustus quoque Octāviānus,
power        which  now  Tranqulity       Your   has     especially     since  Augustus  also     Octavianus
dē quō posteā dīcēmus, et ante eum C. Caesar sub dictātūrae nōmine atque honōre
about whom  later  we-will-speak and before him Gaius Caesar under of-dictatorship   name  and  dignity
rēgnāverint.[4] Dictātor autem Rōmae prīmus fuit T. Larcius,[5] magister equitum prīmus Sp.
Ruled            dictator  moreover  at-Rome  first  was Titus Larcius     maser      of-cavalry  first    Spurius
Cassius.
Cassius
 
[13] Sextō decimō annō post rēgēs exāctōs sēditiōnem populus Rōmae fēcit, tamquam ā
          In-sixteenth  year    after  kings driven-out    revolt     people     of-Rome  made  as-though by
senātū atque cōnsulibus premerētur.  Tum et ipse sibi tribūnōs plēbis quasi propriōs iūdicēs
senate    and    consuls  it-was-being-oppressed then also itself for-self  tribunes  of-plebs as   their-own   judges
et dēfēnsōrēs creāvit, per quōs contrā senātum et cōnsulēs tūtus esse posset.[6]
and  defenders   elected  through whom  against   senate  and  consuls  safe   be it-could
 
[14] Sequentī annō Volscī contrā Rōmānōs bellum reparāvērunt, et vīctī aciē etiam Coriolōs
      In-following  year  Volsi   against  Romans     war     renewed      and  defeated in-battle also  Corioli
cīvitātem, quam habēbant optimam, perdidērunt.
city        which    they-had     best       lost 

NOTES
[1] i.e. died of natural causes rather than in battle.
[2] 501 B.C., which by inclusive reckoning was nine years after 509. Alternatively. Eutropius was reckoning exclusively but believed the expulsion was in 510. A dictator was originally appointed for sixth months by a consul on the recommendation of the senate if an emergency required a single man to take charge. In 45 B.C., Julius Caesar had himself appointed dictātor perpetuus (dictator for life)
[3] Equivalent to `Your Serene Highness’. The use of the plural form vestra to show respect to a single, high-status individual was not classical but became normal in later Latin and hence in the Romance languages (French vous etc.)
[4] Octavian, though he actually held complete power over the state after the defeat of Anthony and Cleopatra in 31 B.C., was careful to preserve the fiction that he was merely a leading citizen and he never held the formal title of dictator.
[5] The name is more usually spelled `Lartius’ and the dictator’s full name was Titus Lartius Flavus or Rufus. He had started the year as consul but the new arrangement was made in the face of the threat of an alliance between Tarquin’s son-in-law. Octavius Mamilius, ruler of Tusculum, and the Latin states, as well as of renewed war with the Sabines. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus_Lartius
[6] In 494 B.C. the plebeians (i.e. the whole population excepting the patrician aristocracy) withdrew from the city and camped on a nearby hill, protesting both against their wholly subordinate political status and against debt bondage, A compromise was reached under which the tribūnī plēbis whom they elected would have a right of veto against arbitrary action by other magistrates and the concilium plēbis received official recognition. The `Struggle of the Orders’ continued until it was conceded in 367 that one consul must be a plebeian. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribune_of_the_plebs and, for the relationship between the Concilium Plēbis and other voting assemblies, https://linguae.weebly.com/livy.html

[15] Octāvō decimō annō postquam rēgēs ēiectī erant     expulsus ex urbe Q. Marcius, dux
         In-eighteenth   year     after       kings  thrown-out had-been  expelled  from  city Quintus Marcius leader
Rōmānus, quī Coriolōs cēperat, Volscōrum cīvitātem, ad ipsōs Volscōs contendit īrātus et
Roman      who  Corioli    had-captured  of-Volsci    city      to   themselves  Volsci  hurried  angry  and
auxilia contrā Rōmānōs accēpit.[1] Rōmānōs saepe vīcit, usque ad quīntum mīliārium urbis
help     against   Romans    received    Romans    often  he-conquered  up to    fifth    milestone    of-city
accessit, oppugnātūrus etiam patriam suam, lēgātīs quī pācem petēbant, repudiātīs, nisi ad
he-approached about-to-attack    even    country  his-own with-envoys who  peace  were-seeking  rebuffed  if-not
eum māter Veturia et uxor Volumnia ex urbe vēnissent, quārum flētū et dēprecātiōne superātus
him    mother  Veturia and wife   Volumnia  from city   had        whose   by-weeping and   pleading   overcome   
remōvit exercitum. Atque hic secundus post Tarquinium fuit, quī dux contrā patriam suam
removed     army        and  he   second    after     Tarquin    was  who  leader against  country  own
esset.
wsas.
 
[16] C. Fabiō et L. Virginīō cōnsulibus[2] trecentī nōbilēs hominēs, quī ex Fabiā familiā erant,
 With Gaius Fabius and Lucius Virginius consuls     three hundred noble   men    who  from  Fabian   family  were
contrā Vēientēs bellum sōlī suscēpērunt, prōmittentēs senātuī et populō per sē omne certāmen
against   Veians     war   alone   undertook      promising      to-senate and  people by themselves whole struggle
implendum. Itaque profectī, omnēs nōbilēs et quī singulī magnōrum exercituum ducēs esse
to-be-carried-out and-so  having set=out all  the-noble-man and  who each    of-great      armies      leaders  to-be
dēbērent, in proeliō concidērunt. Ūnus omnīnō superfuit ex tantā familiā, quī propter aetātem
ought       in    battle      fell       one    out-of-all  survived  from  so-great family who   because-of age
puerīlem dūcī nōn potuerat   ad pugnam. Post haec cēnsus in urbe habitus est et inventa sunt
young    to-be- taken not had-been-able to    fight     after  this   census   in  city  held    was and  found  were
cīvium capita CXVIĪ mīlia CCCXIX.
of-citizens  heads  117     thousand  319


NOTES
[1] Gaius (not Quintus) Marcius is better known by the additional name `Coriolanus’ supposedly earned for his leading role in the capture of Corioli in 493 B.C. According to the traditional account, he was put on trial in 491 B.C. by the tribunes for demanding that famine relief only be granted to the plebeians if the political concessions made to them in 494 B.C. were reversed. He fled to the Volscians and led a successful campaign against Roman territory before mother and daughter persuaded him to stop. For details, see https://www.livius.org/articles/person/coriolanus-gn-marcius/, which questions the story’s historicity, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Marcius_Coriolanus, partly because the practice of naming people after a place they had conquered did not start till the following century. Eutropius appears to put the trial and flight from Rome in 492 B.C., which by the inclusive reckoning he probably used would be 18 rather than 17 years after the Tarquins’ expulsion in 509.
[2] The year corresponding on the traditional chronology to 479 B.C., when Gaius Fabius Vibulanus was consul for the third time. The Fabians were prominent politically in this period.

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