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QUESTIONS ARISING FROM 148th. MEETING – 18/7/23
(the record of earlier meetings can be downloaded from the main Circulus page as can the version of Ciceronis Filius with illustrations added. The illustrated text of Genesis is available on the Genesis page, of Kepler's Somnium on the Somnium page, of Eutropius' Breviarium on the Eutropius page, of Suetonius' Vita Neronis on the Suetonius page and of Nutting's Ad Alpes on the Ad Alpes page)​

Food ordered at the Basmati included cicera arōmatica (chana massala, spiced chickpeas), iūs lentium butyrātum (daal makhani), turundae Tibetānae gallīnāceā fartae (momos), carō rubra ( rogan josh, Kashmiri-style lamb curry), spīnāchia cum caseō (palak paneer), pānis tenuis (papadom), pānis Persicus (nan)and orӯza (rice), supplemented by the usual vīnum rubrum.
 
Hillary had been reading the satirist Persius as a challenge since he is seen as particularly difficult - even more dificult than the better-known Roman satirist, Juvenal. Born in 34 AD, Persius died in 62 but in his short life moved in Stoic circles and enjoyed the patronage of the poet Lucan. The seven hundred lines of his output which survive include mockery of diners with literary pretensions and discussion of the importance of sef-knowledge, of a definite aim in life, of freedom as understood by the Stoics, and of the proper use of money. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persius
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                                                      From Francesco Stelluti’s Italian translation of 1630
                                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persius#/media/File:Persius.jpg
  
The Italian translation of Persius by Francesco Stelluti, a friend of Galileo, is famous for its footnotes referring to the scientist’s discoveries and for being the first printed work containing views seen through a microscope. For further details see https://www.martayanlan.com/pages/books/4560/francesco-persius-stelluti/persio-tradotto-in-verso-sciolto-e-dichiarato-da-francesco-stelluti-accademia-linceo-da
 
There was some discussion of educational and recreational activities for children. Chris Y. recommended  Birdintree ( https://www.facebook.com/BirdintreeCreativeStudio2010/ ) for art lessons and also Stingrays Rugby Club (https://www.skstingrays.com/) Chris also felt that the Hong Kong educational system in general focussed too much on mastering just one task and also that gender stereotyping was rife 
 
Jeff argued that non-secular schools were preferable to secular ones for cultural reasons and this reminded John of how people many people saw themselves as cultural Christians whilst still rejecting Christian dogma. A particularly well-known example is British biologist Richard Dwarkins, a miltant atheist who is neverthelsss also a member of a society for the appreciation of the 1611 King James Bible because of its own literary qualities and its immense influence on later literature. There is a good account of this at https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/The-King-James-Bible/
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                                                                       Frontpiece of tha King James Bible
     https://cdn.britannica.com/99/149699-050-B38AF1D0/Frontispiece-engraving-King-James-Version-of-the-1611.jpg
 
We read chapters 16-20 of Suetonius’ Vīta Nerōnis (see below) and Hillary also told us that she had been reading Josiah Osgood’s How to Be a Bad Emperor, a translation of our own text as well as the lives of Julius Caesar, Tiberius and Caligula.  The Latin and the English are presented on facing pages, a format which Hillary liked though she objected to his use of `u’ both for the vowel and for the consonant modern editors usually print as `v’. This practice was in fact followed by the Romans themselves, with universal use of `u’ for lower case and `v’ for upper so that vult was written either VVLT or uult. This paralleled their use of `I’ both for the vowel in vīdī and the consonant in iam.  
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                       https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691193991/how-to-be-a-bad-emperor

From the 17th to the 19th century, the second word was normally printed as jam but nowadays we revert to the Roman usage for `I in both cases but retain the unclassical u/v distinction, Osgood, like the late James Morewood, could at least claim that he is consistent!
 
There is an interview with the author, professor of Classics at Georgetown University, at https://dailystoic.com/josiah-osgood-interview/
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                                                   A Salvation Army band giving a street performance
                              https://i0.wp.com/baggieandlucy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DSC_4016.jpg
 
John explained the significance of his use of `Here’s to temperance’ (Latīne: Temperantiae!) as a toast. This originated with a maternal aunt who was making fun of her mother, an enthusiastic member of the Salvation Army, a Christian organisation organised on quasi-military lines and fervently opposed to the use of alcohol.  John’s grandmother was heself firmly teetotal partly because her own father, normally a well-tempered man, had become violent after drinking. The aunt had reacted against this attitude and was an enthusiastic drinker throughout her life, though never becoming anti-social!
 
The Salvation Army, known affectionately as `Sally Anne’, was founded in the 19th centry by William Booth, who was born in John’s hometown, Nottingham, The organisation is nowadays famous for its charitable work, as well as for its military-style bands, which often perform publicly.
 
Tanya is currently reading Robert Harris’s Cicero trilogy (Imperium, Lustrum and Dictator) and mentioned that Ciceros is described as handing out chickpeas (cicer, ciceris n) on his travels. John was unsure whether this was mentioned in any historical document but Cicero’s cognōmen certainly derived from cicer, apparently because an ancestor had a chickpea-shaped growth on his nose.
 
There was a brief discussion of regional differences in China, including the stange fact that Chinese officials who held proniment roles in Fujian seemed often to progesse in their career at national level, though the same could not be said of those who were actually born in the area. As in any large country, inter-regional tensions were common and John recalled how, in Han Su-yin’s autobiography, she reports her Belgian mother (married to a northern Chinese) as saying `The Cantonese, they’re like monkeys!’
 
Suetonius’ account of Nero refers to pantomīmī, actors who performed all the roles in a play on their own. Someone thought this was similar to the style of some popular YouTubrs nowadays. 
 
Vīta Nerōnis
also mentions Nero’s setting up a special military unit whose members were all six feet tall and this ptompted a question on the average height of Roman legionaries. Examination of skeletons suggests that the average inhabitant of central Italy in Romnan times was 5’ 4” tall but rhe minimum size for a recruit in the 4th century AD seems to have been 5’6”.   Northern barbarians were on average taller than Romans, probably because of their lower populaion dynsasty and the greater amount of meat and dairy produce in their diet. More information is available at the following sites:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1f2g7b/roman_soldiers_physical_size/ (suggesting a usual range for legionaries of 5’6” to 5’9”
file:///D:/Documents/LATIN/ROMAN%20HISTORY/ROMAN%20HEALTH.pdf  and https://imperiumromanum.pl/en/curiosities/were-roman-legionaries-really-short/
 
Finally mention was made of Terry Pratchett’s novel Good Omens, in which the Archangel Axiraphale and the demon Crowley, who have grown used to a comfortable existence on eartht, join forces to thwart the arrival of the Apocalypse.
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David Tennant as Crowley and Michael Sheen as Aziraphale in season 2 of the Prime Video series based on Good Omens.
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/18/1188333619/good-omens-takes-a-breather-between-apocalypses




VĪTA NERŌNIS 16-20
 
 
XVI. Fōrmam aedificiōrum urbis novam excōgitāvit et ut ante    īnsulās     ac domōs
     Design       of-buildings  of-city  new    he-devised   and that in-front-of apartment-blocks and houses
porticūs essent,    dē quārum sōlāriīs incendia arcērentur; eāsque sūmptū suō extrūxit.[1]
colonnades there-should-be from  whose  flat-roofs    fires    could-be-fought and-these at-expense own  he-constructed
Dēstinārat etiam Ōstiā tenus moenia prōmovēre atque inde fossā mare veterī urbī indūcere. 2.
He-had-planned  also as-Ostia as-far-as city-walls  to-extend  and from-there with-a-canal sea  to-old  city   to-bring-in
Multa  sub eō et animadversa sēvēre et coercita nec minus īnstitūta: adhibitus sūmptibus
Many-things under him both punished    reverely and suppressed nor  less [new-laws] established applied  to-expenditures
modus; pūblicae cēnae ad sportulās redāctae; interdictum nē quid in popīnīs    coctī praeter
limit      public    banquets to  take-away-baskets confined forbidden[it-was] anything in cook-houses   cooked except
legūmina aut holera venīret,   cum anteā nūllum nōn obsōniī[2] genus prōpōnerētur; afflīctī
pulses       or vegetables should-be-sold when   before no        not   of-relish  kind  could-be-served  subjected-to
suppliciīs Chrīstiānī, genus hominum superstitiōnis novae ac maleficae; vetitī quadrīgāriōrum
punishment     Christians  class      of-people  of-superstition    new    and  destructive forbidden of-chariot-drivers
lūsus, quibus inveterātā     licentiā  passim vagantibus fallere ac fūrārī per iocum iūs erat;
pranks   for-whom from-time-honoured impunity everywhere wandering    to-cheat  and  rob  for joke[claimed]-right was
pantomīmōrum factiōnēs cum ipsīs simul relēgātae.[3]
of-mime-artists      supporters with the-men-thmselves banished
 
XVĪĪ. Adversus falsāriōs tunc prīmum repertum, nē tabulae nisi pertūsae ac ter    līnō per
Against      forgerers   then first devised [it-wās ] that-not tablets unless peforated and thrīce with-thread through
forāmina trāiectō obsignārentur;[4] cautum     ut testāmentīs prīmae duae cērae testātōrum
holēs        inserted should-be-signed   precaution-was-taken] that for-wills       first      two leavēs of-testators
modo nōmine īnscrīptō vacuae signātūrīs ostenderentur,[5] ac nē quī aliēnī testāmentī scrīptor
only  with-name inscribed blank to-witnesses should-be-shown and that -not     any of-another’s will       writer
legātum sibi ascrīberet; item ut lītigātōrēs prō patrōciniīs certam iūstamque mercēdem,[6] prō
legacy to-himself should write-down alsō that  clients   for  service-of-advocates fixed    and-just       price    for

NOTES
[1] Referring to the reconstruction of the city after the great fire of 64. As well as the portico requirement, streets were laid out on a regular parttern and new height restrictions introduced,
[2] obsōnium was a term for anything eaten with bread, especially fish,
[3] Tacitus (Ann xiii.25)
[4] According to the note in the Loeb edition, three tablets were used in a standard contract, the first two being bound together and sealed in the way described. The contract itself was written out twice, both in the sealed portion and on the third, open tablet. If there was any dispute the seal was broken in the presence of the signatories and the two versions compared.
[5] The person making the will signed the tablets but only filled in the name(s) of the heir(s) after the witnesses had signed. The word cēra here refers to a wax tablet rather than to wax as a substance.
[6] Under the Lex Cincia of 204 B.C.advocates had been barred from charging any fees at all, and were expected to offer help simply as friends. This law had often been disregarded in the late Republic but was revived by Augustus. Claudius then fixed a maximum charge of 10,000 sesterces but Nero, according to Tacitus (Ann.xi.5), initially re-introduced a complete ban on fees and then, if Suetonius is correct, fixed a new limit. Whatever the exact legal position, lawyers often received compensation from their clients in the form of legacies. See Robert Smutney’s `The Sources of Cicero's Income’
The Classical Weekly, Vol. 45, No. 4, 1951, pp. 49-56 ( https://www.jstor.org/stable/4343028 ) 
 
subsellis nūllam omnīnō darent praebente aerāriō grātuīta;[1] utque rērum āctū     ab aerāriō
benches    none      at-all  should-give providing treasury  them[for-free] and-that of-procedure in-respect from treasury
causae ad Forum ac reciperātōrēs[2] trānsferrentur et ut  omnēs appellātiōnēs ā iūdicibus ad
cases     to  Forum  and  arbitrators   should-be-transferred and that   all       appeals    from  judges   to
senātum fierent.
Senate    should-be-made
 
XVIII. Augendī propāgandīque imperiī neque voluntāte ūllā neque spē mōtus umquam, etiam
          Of-increasing   amd-expanding  empire   neither  by-desire any     nor   hope   moved   ever   even
ex Britanniā dēdūcere exercitum cōgitāvit, nec nisi verēcundiā, nē obtrectāre parentīs glōriae
from Britain     withdrawing    army   he-thought-of  nor except    by-shame  lest  to-impair    father’s     glory
vidērētur, dēstitit.[3] Pontī modo rēgnum concēdente Polemōne, item Alpium[4] dēfūnctō
seem     did-he-desist   of-Ponus only  kingdom  giving-it-up   with-Polemon likewise  of-Alps    having-died
Cottiō in prōvinciae fōrmam redēgit.[5]
Cottius  in  of-province      form   he-reduced
 
XIX. Peregrīnātiōnēs duās omnīnō suscēpit, Alexandrīnam et Achāicam;[6] sed Alexandrīnā
        Foreign-tours    two   altogethwer he-undertook    to-Alexandria and  to-Achaia  but  Alexandrian-one
ipsō profectiōnis diē dēstitit turbātus religiōne simul ac perīculō. Nam cum circumitīs
on-actual of-departure day  he-abandoned disturbed by-omen at-same-time and danger for when having-been-walked-
templīs in aede Vestae resēdisset, cōnsurgentī eī prīmum lacinia   obhaesit, dein tanta oborta
taround emples    in shrine of-Vesta  had-sat-down getting-up    for-him  first   edge-of-garment stuck   then   so-great arose

NOTES
[1] The parties to a suit had apparently been previously required to pay a fee for using the seats provided for their use.
[2] As a technical term, reciperātor referred to a member of a judicial panel who could hear certain cases using a simpler procedure than that of the regular courts. Nero’s reform affected cases involving the public treasury (aerārium) which would previously have been heard by the praetors or quaestors in charge of it.
[3] The revolt led by the queen of the Iceni, Boudica, in 60 or 61 A.D., during which Camulodunum (Colchester), Verulamium (St. Albans) and Londinium were destroyed, made Nero consider abandoning Britain but withdrawal would have tarnished Claudius’ reputation as the man who hadadded the island to the empire. The rebels were in any case finally defeated by the governor, Suetonius Paulinus, at an unknown site in the Midlands. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica
[4] i.e rēgnum Alpium
[5] Polemon II, descended on his mother’s side from Mark Anthony, had ruled the eastern section of the old kingdom of Pontus until his abdication in 62 A.D, other parts having been included in the Roman provinces of Bithynia et Pontus and Galatia. Nero may actually have merged the territory with Galatia and under Trajan it was incorporated into Cappadocia. The Cottian Alps, a region in the South-West of the mountain range now divided between Piedmont in Italy and the French departments of Savoie, Hautes-Alpes and Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, were made into a province in 63 A.D. on the death of their client king, Marcus Julius Cotta II.
[6] Achaea was the province comprising the Peloponnese and part of northern Greece

cālīgō est,[1] ut dispicere nōn posset. In Achāiā Isthmum perfodere adgressūs praetōriānōs
darkness       that    to-see  not  he-was-able  in  Achaia  the Isthmus to-dig-through having-attempted praetorians
prō contiōne[2] ad incohandum opus cohortātus est tubaeque signō datō prīmus rastellō
in-front-of assembly to     beginning  work      he-urged  and-of-trumpet with-signal given  first with-mattock
humum effōdit et corbulae congestam umerīs extulit.[3] Parābat    et  ad Caspiās portās[4]
ground  he-dug-up and  into-basketr  piled  on-shoulders carried-away he-started-preparing also at    Caspian  Gates
expedītiōnem cōnscrīptā ex Ītalicīs sēnum pedum tīrōnibus novā legiōne, quam Magnī
expedition  having-been-enlisted from  Italians of-six-each  feet    recruits    new     legion   which of-Great
Alexandrī phalanga appellābat. 3. Haec partim nūllā reprehēnsiōne, partim etiam nōn
Alexander     phalanx   he-called        these-things partly with-no cause-to-blame    partly     even not
mediocrī laude digna[5] in ūnum contulī,     ut sēcernerem   ā probrīs ac sceleribus eius,
slight     praise  worthy into one-place I-have-brought so-that I-might separate from shameful-things and   crimes  his
dē quibus dehinc dīcam.
about which from-now-on I-will-speak

XX. Inter cēteras disciplīnās pueritiae tempore imbūtus et mūsicā, statim ut imperium
      Among   other   subjects  of-boyhood in-time  having-been-instructed also in-music immediately power 
adeptus est, Terpnum[6] citharoedum vigentem tunc praeter aliōs arcessiit diēbusque
he-obtained      Terpnus       citharaplayer    excelling   then   beyond  others he-sent-for  and on-days
continuīs post cēnam canentī[7] in multam noctem assidēns paulātim et ipse meditārī
continuous  after dinner to-him-performing till   late-at     night   sitting-close  gradullay also himself to-practice
exercērīque coepit neque eōrum quicquam omittere, quae generis eius artificēs vel
and-to-train     began  and-not  of-thoes-things any      to-omit   which  of-kind  that  artists  either
cōnservandae vōcis causā vel augendae factitārent;  sed et plumbeam chartam supīnus
of-being-conserved voice for-sake-of or of-being-strengthened habitually-did but also  of-lead       sheet    on-his-back

NOTES
[1] The auxuiliary verb goes with oborta to form the perfect tense. The Loeb translation is `overspread his eyes’ which suggests, plausibly, that Nero had a momentary black-out but the normal meaning of the verb is simply `arose’.
[2] contiō can refer both to a meeting and to a speech made to it.
[3] According to the epitome of Dio Cassius (63.16), Nero started digging himself because sounds of groaning and the sight of blood spurting from the ground had made the troops too fightened to proceed. The canal project probably lasted a year and involved around 10,000 workers, who cut a substantial way into the Isthmus from the western side. Some traces remain but most have been obliterated by the construction in 1881-93 of the modern Corinth Canal (see https://corinthianmatters.com/2016/04/11/on-the-remains-of-neros-corinth-canal-project/ )
[4] The Caspian Gates were a pass in the Taurus Mountains in SE Asia Minor. Despite Suetonius’ assertion that Nero did not try to extend the empire, he did try to bring the southern Caucasus under Roman control but was prevented by the outbreak of military revolts in the West. The pass has most recently been in the news as the route taken by many Russians fleeing conscription for the war with Ukraine. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darial_Gorge
[5] Suetonius allows that Nero did have some achievements to his credit. The emperor Trajan went further, famously praising the quinquennium Nerōnis (`Nero’s five years’), which might refer to the start of his reign, when he was making a sincere attempt to cooperate with the senate, or to the middle period which saw some foreign policy success. See J. G. F. Hind, `The Middle Years of Nero's Reign’, Historia 20:4( 1971), pp. 488-505 https://www.jstor.org/stable/4435214
[6] Terpnus continued to enjoy imperial favour under Vespasian.
[7] canō is used both of singing and of playing a stringed or wind instrument.

pectore sustinēre et clystere vomitūque purgārī   et abstinēre pōmīs cibīsque officientibus;
on-chest  to-hold    and  with-syringe  and-vomiting to-be-purged  and to-abstain from-fruit  and-foods harming[voice]
dōnec blandiente prōfectū, quamquam exiguae vōcis et fuscae, prōdīre in scaenam concupiit,
until    encouraging  with-progress   although     of-weak  voice and husky to-ho-out onto stage    he-conceived-desire  
subinde inter familiārēs Graecum prōverbium iactāns occultae mūsicae nūllum esse
then       among   friends    Greek       proverb    quoting     for-hidden  music     no    to-be
respectum. Et prōdit Neapolī prīmum ac ne concussō quidem repente mōtū terrae theātrō ante
respect   and he-went-on-stage at-Naples  first  and not having-been-struck even  suddenly by-tremor of-earth theatre before
cantāre dēstitit, quam[1] incohātum absolveret nomon. Ibidem saepius   et per complūrēs
to-sing     he-ceased  than       begun         he-finished  tune   in-same-place more-often and over several
diēs; sūmptō[2] etiam ad reficiendam vōcem brevi tempore, impatiēns sēcrētī ā balineīs[3] in
days   having-been-taken even for being-repaired voice     short time        intolerant  of-seclusion from baths into
theātrum transiit mediāque  in orchestrā frequente populō epulātus, sī paulum subbibisset,[4]
theatre  he-went-over and-middle-of in area-before-stage with-thronging people having-feasted if  a-bit  he-had-had-to-drink
aliquid sē suffertī[5] tinnitūrum    Graecō sermōne prōmīsit.[6] Captus autem modulātīs
something self sounding-good going-to-ring-out   in-Greek    language he-promised  caprivated  also   by-rhythmic
Alexandrīnōrum laudātiōnibus, quī dē novō commeātū Neāpolim cōnflūxerant, plūrēs 
of-Alexandrians        applause       who from new       fleet       to-Naples   had-flocked    more
Alexandrīa ēvocāvit. Neque eō sēgnius adulēscentulōs equestris ōrdinis et quīnque amplius
From-alexandria   he-called  and-not  than-that more-slowly young-men  of-equestrian order  and    five  more-than
mīlia ē plēbe rōbustissimae iuventūtis undique ēlēgit, quī dīvīsī in factiōnēs plausuum genera
thousand from plebs of-strongest young-people  from-everywhere he-chose who divided into   sections  of-applause kinds
condiscerent -- bombōs et imbricēs et testās vocābant[7] -- operamque nāvārent cantantī sibi,
could-learn        `bees’    and   `tiles’  and  `bricks’ they-called-them  and-support could-give  to-singing himself
īnsignēs pinguissimā comā et excellentissimō cultū, pūrīs ac sine ānulō laevīs, quōrum ducēs
conspicuous  with-very-thick  hair and   very-fine      clothing   bare and without ring with-left-hands whose   leaders
quadringēna mīlia sēstertia merēbant.
four-hundred-each   thousand  sesterces  earned,
 

NOTES
[1] The conjunction antequam is frequently split between clauses in this way.
[2] Suetonius uses the perfect participle loosely: the break was not finished completely before he felt compelled to get back among his public.
[3] The phrase ā balneīs can also mean simply `after bathing’
[4] Pluperfect subjunctive in a subordinate clause in indirect speech dependent on prōmīsit,
[5] suffertī is a partitive genitive
[6] The use of the perfect tense suggests this behaviour at the intermission was just on one day.
[7] The three styles of applause seem to have been making some sort of buzzing sound, clapping with cupped hands (resembling curved roof tiles) and clapping with the hands flat.


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